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Olympics List (UPDATED)

This is the initial list, please everyone advise when you find out if players pull out etc. so I can update, Thanks!

Doubtfuls - Golovin 50% chance of playing, Arvidsson & Paszek

Singles

1.) Ana Ivanovic
2.) Jelena Jankovic
3.) Svetlana Kuznetsova
4.) Elena Dementieva
5.) Serena Williams
6.) Venus Williams
7.) Dinara Safina
8.) Daniela Hantuchova
9.) Patty Schnyder
10.) Agnieszka Radwanska
11.) Vera Zvonareva
12.) Agnes Szavay
13.) Victoria Azarenka
14.) Alize Cornet
15.) Francesca Schiavone
16.) Nicole Vaidisova
17.) Tatiana Golovin
18.) Flavia Pennetta
19.) Shahar Peer
20.) Lindsay Davenport
21.) Virgine Razzano
22.) Sybille Bammer
23.) Alona Bondarenko
24.) Dominika Cibulkova
25.) Caroline Wozniacki
26.) Sania Mirza
27.) Kaia Kanepi
28.) Anabel Medina Garrigues
29.) Olga Govortsova
30.) Eleni Danilidou
31.) Ai Sugiyama
32.) Tsvetana Pironkova
33.) Casey Dellacqua
34.) Gisela Dulko
35.) Zi Yan
36.) Na Li
37.) Lucie Safarova
38.) Iveta Benesova
39.) Carla Suarez Navarro
40.) Shuai Peng
41.) Klara Zakopalova
42.) Akgul Amanmuradova
43.) Pauline Parmentier
44.) Sofia Arvidsson
45.) Sara Errani
46.) Tatiana Perebiynis
47.) Marina Erakovic
48.) Marta Domachowska
49.) Sorana Cirstea
50.) Timea Bacinsky
51.) Katerina Bondarenko
52.) Jill Craybas
53.) Mara Santangelo SR 35
54.) Samantha Stosur SR 36
55.) Milagros Sequera SR 50
56.) Jie Zheng SR 60

57.) WC - Tamarine Tanasugarn
58.) WC - Cara Black
59.) WC - Ayumi Morita
60.) WC - Alicia Molik
61.) WC - Selima Sfar
62.) WC - Yung Jan Chan
63.) WC - Mariya Koryttseva
64.) WC - Nuria Llagostera-Vives

Next In
1.) Sabine Lisicki (Germany unlikely to let her play)
2.) Aiko Nakamura
3.) Virginia Ruano-Pascual
4.) Yvonne Meusburger
5.) Yanina Wickmayer
6.) Monica Niculescu
7.) Anne Keothavong


Doubles Teams (32 team Draw)
Argentina
DULKO, Gisela, JOZAMI, Betina
Australia
STOSUR, Sam, STUBBS, Rennae
DELLACQUA, Casey, MOLIK, Alicia
Belarus
AZARENKA, Victoria, POUTCHEK, Tatiana
GOVORTSOVA, Olga, KUSTOVA, Darya
China
YAN, Zi, ZHENG, Jie
PENG, Shuai, SUN, Tian Tian
Chinese Taipei
CHAN, Yung-Jan, CHUANG, Chia-Jung
Czech Rep
BENESOVA, Iveta, VAIDISOVA, Nicole
KVITOVA, Petra, SAFAROVA, Lucie
Estonia
ANI, Maret, KANEPI, Kaia
France
CORNET, Alize, RAZZANO, Virginie
GOLOVIN, Tatiana, PARMENTIER, Pauline
Greece
DANIILIDOU, Eleni, GERASIMOU, Anna
Hungary
ARN, Greta, SZAVAY, Agnes
India
MIRZA, Sania, RAO, Sunitha
Israel
OBZILER, Tzipora, PEER, Shahar
Italy
SANTANGELO, Mara, VINCI, Roberta
PENNETTA, Flavia, SCHIAVONE, Francesca
Japan
MORITA, Ayumi, SUGIYAMA, Ai
Poland
DOMACHOWSKA, Marta, RADWANSKA, Agnieszka
JANS, Klaudia, ROSOLSKA, Alicja
Russia
KUZNETSOVA, Svetlana, SAFINA, Dinara
VESNINA, Elena, ZVONAREVA, Vera
Slovak Republic
HANTUCHOVA, Daniela, HUSAROVA, Janette
Spain
MEDINA GARRIGUES, Anabel, RUANO PASCUAL, Virginie
LLAGOSTERA-VIVES, Nuria, MARTINEZ SANCHEZ, Maria Jose
Switzerland
GAGLIARDI, Emmanuelle, SCHNYDER, Patty
Ukraine
BONDARENKO, Alona, BONDARENKO, Kateryna
KORYTTSEVA, Mariya, PEREBIYNIS, Tatiana
USA
DAVENPORT, Lindsay, HUBER, Liezel
WILLIAMS, Serena, WILLIAMS, Venus

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I thought I heard earlier today that Tammy Tanasugarn was handed one of the continental wildcards........................although the source wasn't all that great (it was on the radio). Maybe you could pencil it in though?

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Sunitha Rao and Alicia Molik are both heavily gunning for Singles Wildcards, Im not sure who else is??
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Sunitha Rao and Alicia Molik are both heavily gunning for Singles Wildcards, Im not sure who else is??
I thought Alicia Molik was considering retirement? (there was an article a few weeks back in General Messages about this)

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Does anybody know why Russia choosed Safina instead of Chakvetadze?
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Probable entries:

Chan
Morigami
Bondarenko
Ruano-Pascual

Reason: All 4 will play both singles and doubles, leaving more vacancies. Galovitz may also complete a couple.
Lisicki could have got a WC but I don't think the German OC would let her go.

I don't see why Tanasugarn should get in when there are higher-ranked Asian players who just missed the cut.

According to my calculation, there are as many as 18 vacant places, and 6 singles spots and 9 in doubles to fill. That means at least 3 ITF entries should play both singles and doubles.

There's no way ITF will grant 2 WC to one country, and I think USA and Austria are unlikely to get them having allreay qualified 3 and 2 players in women singles, and also represented by at least 2 players in other events.
ITF tends to award these places to less-priveleged countries. As of now, TPE is represented in men singles and women doubles, Japan has just one entry in women singles and doubles, Ukraine has 2 in singles and a double team, but Katerina Bondarenko will play doubles with her sister so she can get into the singles as well. Same with Spain: Medina Garrigues will play doubles with Ruano-Pasqual. ITF might ignore her because Spain has a full men's team.
Romania has only one entry in men and one in women.

However, if ITF will like more countries to take part in the tennis tournament, they will have to go further down the list.

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As far as I see, the countries at the low end of the top-100 who have no entries yet in the women tournament are Belgium (Yanina Wickmeier), Great Britain (Anne Koethavong) and Canada (Alexandra Wozniak). There's also Germany, but if the Germans didn't change their policy from 4 years ago I don't think they'll send Lisicki to Beijing. If we'll go further down the ranking, the next candidate is Rossana de los Rios of Paraguay, a country which has no entry in any tennis event and belong to an un-privileged part of the world (Argentina and USA are the only countries in the Americas with entries in women's tennis events so far). Croatia (Kostanic) is the next country with no women in the tennis tourney, but they have 4 men. Next in order is Luxembourg (Anne Kremer), but it's allready outside the top-120...
If ITF would like to see another entry from Africa in addition to Cara Black, they'll have to go for Selima Sfar (Tunisia) at #163, and that's a long way down...

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nitsansh,

Sorry, but i have some comments about your posts.

Tamarine Tanasugarn: with end of Wimbledon she will be around 40-50, which makes her the best ranked player who didn't qualify to olympics. Enough reason now?

Stefanie Vogt's ranking is also a way down, so why not Selima Sfar? And other African player: Scheepers, who is not much lower than Sfar. And Sfar is doing well at dobules in wimbledon (she has ranking between 50 & 60 in doubles).

Not only Americans and Argentinans, but there is Milagros Sequera(her rank will be around 250 after wimby...so what was that "way down"?), with her saved rank.

Morigami & Ruano-Pascual are unlikely to get, there are already Japanese and Spanish players.....and i doubt financial saving counts for ITF...
K.Bondarenko is the 2nd best ranked who missed the cut, but there are already ukrainans so...

I think Yanina Wickmayer, Rossana De Los Rios may get one.
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Doubles entries:

Top-10 ranking:
Huber+Davenport (USA)
Sugiyama+? (JPN)
Peschke+? (CZE)
Stubbs+? (AUS)
Chuang+Chan (TPE)
Azarenka+Govortsova? (BLR)
Safina+Kuznetsova (RUS)

ITF Places:
Austria (Bammer/Paszek?)
ChinaX2
Czech Rep (Vaidisova/Benesova?)
FranceX2 (Mauresmo/Golovin, Razzano/Cornet)
ItalyX2
Poland (Radwanska/Domachowska?)
Russia (Vesnina/Zvonareva)
Serbia (Ivanovic/Jankovic?)
Slovakia (Hantuchova/Cibulkova?)
Spain (Ruano-Pascual/Medina-Garrigues)
Switzerland (Schnyder/Gagliardi)
Ukraine (BondarenkoX2)
USA (WiliamsX2)

9 places remaining.
If Galovitz gets WC in singles, then Romania should get a double team as well (w/Cristea)

The remaining places are anyone's guess... most likely they will go to countries with one entry in singles, and there are about a dozen of them... Argentina, Bulgaria, Denmark, Estonia, Greece, Hungary, India, Israel, Netherlands, New Zealand, Romania, Uzbekistan, Venezuela...

Based on ranking, I think there's good chance for Israel, Hungary, Estonia, Romania, Argentina... all these have a second player in the top 120... next in line may be India, that might also benefit from geographic considerations...

If ITF will opt to give 2 places to one country, then Germany and/or Canada could get them.
There's also possibility that Ukraine will get 2 places, so Korytseva will play singles and K.Bondarenko will play only doubles. It could be the same with Japan - Morigami will play singles and Nakamura doubles with Sugiyama - it's up to Ai and Japan federation who she wants to play with.

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Year-end Ranking: 2006 - 46, 2005 - 8, 2004 - 63, 2003 - 146

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Runner-up: 2006 - Prague, 2005 - Hyderabad, Forest Hills, Los Angeles YEC
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nitsansh,

Sorry, but i have some comments about your posts.

Tamarine Tanasugarn: with end of Wimbledon she will be around 40-50, which makes her the best ranked player who didn't qualify to olympics. Enough reason now?

Stefanie Vogt's ranking is also a way down, so why not Selima Sfar? And other African player: Scheepers, who is not much lower than Sfar. And Sfar is doing well at dobules in wimbledon (she has ranking between 50 & 60 in doubles).

Not only Americans and Argentinans, but there is Milagros Sequera(her rank will be around 250 after wimby...so what was that "way down"?), with her saved rank.

Morigami & Ruano-Pascual are unlikely to get, there are already Japanese and Spanish players.....and i doubt financial saving counts for ITF...
K.Bondarenko is the 2nd best ranked who missed the cut, but there are already ukrainans so...

I think Yanina Wickmayer, Rossana De Los Rios may get one.
You shouldn't feel sorry... it's OK to disagree...

About Tanasugarn and Wimbledon... it doesn't count anything. The ranking that counts is that of June 9th, and at that time her ranking was 89. A wimbledon title didn't help to get Sharapova to Athens in 2004, because before the championship she wasn't among the top 4 Russians. Why it should be different for Tammy in 2008?

Also, ranking in doubles count nothing as far as entry for singles, but ranking in singles counts for doubles - entry in doubles is decided by the better of the 2 rankings.

In case you don't know the rules... Stephanie Vogt and Cara Black got the 2 wild cards given by a tripartite commitee... these places are decided by totally different criteria, and ranking is not among them... Black doesn't even have a ranking in singles...

You're right about Sequera... but still the American continent is under-represented in the tournament, even compared to Asia... that could be a strong arguement in favour of Rossana, as well as Wozniak...

If ITF will give geographic considerations absolute considerations and ignore the ranking, then the 6 ITF places in singles should go to Lisicki, Tanasugarn, Wickmayer, Keothavong, Wozniak and De-Los Rios. Next in line are Kostanic, Kremer, and maybe Sfar is the next one.

Giving 6 places to countries with one player means there are less places available for doubles, because the total number of players in each sex must not exceed 86. There are allready 10 players who play only doubles, and that incudes Chan and Sugiyama's partner. If you add Bondarenko and Ruano-Pascual to that list it's 12, which leaves 10 places, and that may not be enough. For any of these players who will play in singles, there will be another vacancy in doubles.
I don't have the composition of some of the double teams, and I can assume that China would like to enter Tian Tian Sun, Czech Republic might opt to enter Uhlirova, Italy for Santangelo, Slovakia for Husarova, Belarus for Poutchek... and that will be in addition to at least 9 players, because according to my calculation there are at least 9 vacancies for double teams.

And BTW... the no. of available places is decided by IOC, and there is no way it could be enlarged... every Olympic sport, with the exception of Athletics and swimming, has a fixed quota of athletes, and can't exceed it by even one athlete.

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nitsansh,

"6 final qualification places in the singles event will be allocated by the ITF based on the recognised World Ranking and the continental/NOC representation."
And this doesn't include that the ranking of June 9 counts, but the RANKING counts (so, the ranking now).

Sharapova's last year's fact is totally different, since it would have been against the rules, since no country can get more than 4 singles players. And noone from Thailand is in yet.

About maximum 86: I think ITF will rather give WC to already-singles players a doubles-spot. Your calculation is just simply wrong imo.

Czech Republic won't enter Uhlirova. And Hungary wants a pair other than the two in TOP120 (Szávay with Arn, who has no rank in doubles)

About your Japanese thoughts: Morigami won't play singles. how did you get that info?
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Since you are a Maths-fan, i try to count:

Let's say they choose 6 non-doubles-players. That would make 56 singles-player.
I add the already known non-singles-players who play doubles*: that makes 73.
After this, only 41 players unknown in doubles event. But 4 of them is sure already in singles (because of two teams, and maximum of 6 players/NOC). That makes 37. 3 are the TOP10's chosen partner(so we have 17 other pairs). Let's say, half** of the remaining places are already in singles. That makes 17(+3). So all in all 93 players.

if Polish entry will be Radwanska/Domachowska, Austrian Paszek/Bammer, Slovakian Hantuchova/Cibulkova, belorussian azarenka/govortsova, Stubbs/Dellacqua-or-Stosur from Australia, chinese Tian Tian Sun/Shuai Peng, Italy sends a pair which has two singles-players....this make 86

All in all: i don't think ITF won't give WC to doubles players (i think Chan and Bondarenko gonna get one), but it's not a must, as you say...


*Huber, Stubbs, Chia-Jung, Yung-Jan, Mauresmo, Vesnina, Gagliardi
**so ITF would give doubles-WC to pairs who includes one doubles-player, and if you see the remaining nations, one of the players likely to be in singles event (Ukraine-Bondarenko, Spain-Medina Garrigues...etc..)

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Here is my math...

Players in doubles who don't play singles:
Huber (USA)
Peschke (CZE)
Stubbs (AUS)
Chuang (TPE)
Chan (TPE)
Mauresmo (FRA)
Vesnina (RUS)
Zvonareva (RUS)
Gagliardi (SUI)
Unknown Japanese
Katerina Bondarenko (UKR)
Ruano-Pascual (ESP)
Tian (CHN)

That's at least 13... which leaves 9 places open... in case the likes of Chan, Bondarenko, Ruano-Pascual get WC in singles, there are more places available in doubles, but let's assume they don't...

Players in the top-10, who qualify automatically to the doubles tournament, are free to chose their partner, regardless of their ranking or whether they qualified in singles. The rules are absolutely clear about this. The only requirements are that the partner has a ranking in singles or doubles (unfortunately for Cara Black, there's no other Zimbabwean in the ranking), and that the total no. of male or female players from that country doesn't exceed 6. So Sugiyama, Peschke, Stubbs or Azarenka may choose whoever they like, and ITF has nothing to say about it.

As of now, these countries are guarantied places in the doubles tournament:
USA-2 (Huber-Davenport, Serena-Venus)
CZE-2 (Peschke-?, Vaidisova-Benesova)
RUS-2 (Safina-Kuznetsova, Vesnina-Zvonareva)
CHN-2
FRA-2 (Mauresmo-Golovin, Razzano-Cornet)
ITA-2
JPN (Sugiyama-?)
AUS (Stubbs-?)
TPE (Chuang-Chan)
BLR (Azarenka-?)
AUT
POL
SRB
SVK
ESP (Ruano-Pascual-Medina-Garrigues)
SUI (Schnyder-Gagliardi)
UKR (Bondarenko-Bondarenko)

That's 23 couples, so there are 9 couples still undecided, which means at least 9 players who don't play singles.
The 46 players (23 couples) who qualified in doubles include at least 13 players who don't play singles named above... so there are 9 vacancies for players who play only doubles and 9 vacancies for doubles... it's OK if each of these couples include one qualifier in singles and one doubles-only player... but if countries who allready qualified in doubles want to name a player who didn't qualify in singles, and they have the right to do so, then ITF will be forced to give WC in singles to a doubles player. There's no reason to penalize the likes of Chan and K.Bondarenko and overlook them for singles WC because they allready play in doubles. The same also goes for Sugiyama's partner, espacially if that's Morigami.
Ruano-Pascual won't get a WC in singles IMO.

About your interpretation about the ranking... do you think ITF will wait until next Monday before they start their selection process? It doesn't make sense to me...

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Peschke won't go to olympics...so don't count her....
I know they can choose whoever they want (i know the rules), but they would be stupid if they choose low ranked players....And there are good players in singles-list to choose like Govortsova, Stosur, Dellacqua...etc...but it's still only two players...and if they choose non-singles-players, they still can award KBondarenko and Chan, and have 4 place to new countries....

Well, it's already clear that lately (not only at Wimbledon) Tanasugarn, Wickmayer, K Bondarenko and Mattek climbed up a lot...and the first 3 have big chances to get WC....

You just show one part, i show other part....beleive me, it will be in the middle
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Domachowska and A. Radwanska will play doubles together for sure.

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