I'd be lost without you GeeTee.
Never fear! I'm great at telling folks where to go!
A question about Freudenstein. Was her frist name Edith or Edna? I'm guessing Edna is wrong?
Yep Edith M FREUDENSTEIN (born 1903) (Mrs Albert I HAGUE from 1930)
I also owe you a big debt for your name list. I've copied it and enlarged upon it, using your comments, other contributions and what I've discovered trolling around Trove. When I've formatted all the Aussie results through 2011 would it be ok if we compare notes?
Sure! You show me yours and... lol.
The NLA's newspaper search is fantastic although it can still contain plenty of erroneous info. Many a time I've seen a name for a player (eg 'Annie') and thought it confirmed and later see that the more common usage is another name (eg 'Nellie') and have had to revise my lists or check further. Like us, the journalists of the day were only human and made errors themselves. Unfortunately as many original stories were syndicated to other Australian newspapers, you can see the mistake replicated across a range of sources and it can be a bit of trap. Often I've needed to do a heap of cross-referencing using Births, Deaths & Marriages data or visiting the National Library to check other resources that aren't online yet.
I think in the future, I might start another thread (later) about 'Aussie Players' (or similar) and include a short biography of each with additional trivia. I still have tons more name (and other details) in a variety of files that I should consolidate into a master (mistress?) file.
Although there is a thread for married names of players, there are some Aussies who didn't ever play overseas (sob!) or even in many AOs. So I think it might be a sensible idea to post Aussie data in its own thread. Some of this could then be included in the world thread for more significant players.
What I would like to do is set some standards for names. For example, using "Dot" Moran or "Dorothy" Moran consistently rather than switching.
Agree. For what it's worth, I'd suggest standards should include (or at least consider):
1)using ONLY the player's maiden name while they are playing as a single woman (eg Daphne Akhurst ONLY during all of her AO Singles tournaments). I find it strange to list 'Nell Hall' as 'Nell Hall Hopman' from her first tournament if she won't marry for another ten years.
2)using 'Daphne Akhurst-Cozens' for the first AO she plays as a married woman (eg 1931 AO doubles)
3)using the married name 'Daphne Cozens' thereafter
4)where a player first competes in the AO as a married woman it lists her as Beryl Turner (perhaps with a note like "Leila Howard Beryl Leslie 'Beryl' SPOWERS married Henry Macauley TURNER in 1915") for the first entry and just 'Beryl Turner' afterwards. Listing such a player as Beryl Spowers-Turner for her first entry might lead some to believe she has a hyphenated family name.
5)where a player only competes as a single woman, only her last appearance should denote the future married name (eg 'Joyce Fitch (Mrs John VAN RYMER from 1951')
6)with a preferred name maybe the first mention should say something like "Adela Gwyn 'Gwen' HACK" and any future results should just list 'Gwen Hack'
What u think?
Once we have those standards in place when I set about editing results in the future I think we'll have an improved product.
I'm excited. So far I've edited up to 1960!
Cool. It can be fun discovering and adding in all these 'lost' jigsaw puzzle pieces can't it?
The AO official site is truly hopeless. I'm not sure it's a coincidence they finally have some historical data on the site as I wrote them a year or two back, complaining about the major errors in their historical summary and said it was embarrassing and looked like it had been written by a work experience student.
There are still hundreds of errors and I'm wondering where their research has come from (wikipedia?). Maybe I'll write them again enquiring about this. I'm sure they'll love to hear from me!