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She has already given a verbal to Rice.
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Renata Arshavskaya (Russia) - blue chip

International rumor has it Renata Arshavskaya has a high interest in Columbia. This was before her twin sister Adel recently gave a verbal to Columbia.

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Has Katie Gater had enough of warming the bench at Virginia: http://www.youtube.com/user/kcg6mc?
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Katie Gater didn't even play in 1 dual match for Virginia.

The Virginia coach must have told her something that inspired the creation of that recruiting video.
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Rumor has it that Kelsey Sundaram is transferring from Arkansas to Texas A&M. She was a 5-star recruit in the class of 2009 and was ranked #201 ITF.
I'm reposting this here. Thanks for the rumor 10sE.
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SHame Katie was frozen out. I thought she'd have a good college career.

Laura Slater also hasn't gotten many games at college.
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SHame Katie was frozen out. I thought she'd have a good college career.

Laura Slater also hasn't gotten a game at college.
What does "frozen out" mean in this context??
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What does "frozen out" mean in this context??
as in she's been left out the team all season. Can't really see why either, she didn't have a great first 6months, but should be a solid lower end player here at 5 or 6. Just weird she hasn't played a single match, and now appears on a recruiting video. As if she's been told she'll not play for the team again.
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No, I don't think she's being kicked off. I know she is taking visits to other schools, but she loves UVA. The only thing she doesn't like is the tennis (I don't know if it is a team problem or if she isn't happy with the lack of playing time). She probably signed a release so she can talk to other schools (she can change her mind and go back to UVA) and UVA is just helping her get her name out there. Coaches usually help transfers find other schools.

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I don't know anything about this particular case, but I think it can be a hard blow to the confidence of a player with some ITF and junior success to be slotted at #7 or #8. And then further hurting their game to just sit and watch when the team plays matches.
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I have heard the UVA coach is very tough and runs a very disciplined, no-nonsense program. A lot of junior players are used to being the boss and since they are paying their coaches, many of them are the boss when it comes to practices and such. Many college coaches are just like junior coaches and simply keep the players happy while trying to develop them at whatever pace they are able to. Other coaches take a different approach. More like "I am the one paying you now so get with the program or get lost".

I don't know the particulars of this case either but I have known several former players of the UVA coach and they either loved him or hated him based on the above. He does have a high turnover and she is not the first player to leave UVA in recent years. It is hard to argue with his results however, both at UVA and Kentucky. One must also remember that coaches want to win and logically unless the girl is a gigantic pain in the rear AND/OR she just doesn't have the talent to help the team out, they will not simply "freeze her out".

I am not implying that she's a brat or that she's no good. I am simply saying it is likely that she either did not buy into his methods or that after evaluating her talent and work ethic up close he didn't believe she had the potential to help the team.
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I have heard the UVA coach is very tough and runs a very disciplined, no-nonsense program. A lot of junior players are used to being the boss and since they are paying their coaches, many of them are the boss when it comes to practices and such. Many college coaches are just like junior coaches and simply keep the players happy while trying to develop them at whatever pace they are able to. Other coaches take a different approach. More like "I am the one paying you now so get with the program or get lost".

I don't know the particulars of this case either but I have known several former players of the UVA coach and they either loved him or hated him based on the above. He does have a high turnover and she is not the first player to leave UVA in recent years. It is hard to argue with his results however, both at UVA and Kentucky. One must also remember that coaches want to win and logically unless the girl is a gigantic pain in the rear AND/OR she just doesn't have the talent to help the team out, they will not simply "freeze her out".

I am not implying that she's a brat or that she's no good. I am simply saying it is likely that she either did not buy into his methods or that after evaluating her talent and work ethic up close he didn't believe she had the potential to help the team.
Good points, but I'll suggest some more possible explanations, and again say I have no idea if it applies to this particular coach and athlete.

Sometimes, the adjustment to college is hard for any students, including tennis athletes. Some kids become homesick. Some kids get confused with the freedom of drinking on campus. Or maybe a boyfriend / girlfriend problem Other, just may have difficult being on their own, and not having a parent or coach structuring their days. Or maybe, they have trouble managing to do both their school work and tennis practice, and correctly realize that they are going pro in something other than sports.


I don't know if it would get many response, but I'd like to open a thread where we talk about coaches. Do people think that the level of coaching in college tennis is what it should be? Are the coaches paid enough to attract the talent? Different coaching philosophies from different coaches. How could the level of college coaching be improved. etc.
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Yes those are all possibilities but trust me, if a girl is a good enough player the coach will find a way to help her overcome those things. These coaches get paid to win. They aren't going to bend over backwards to get a girl to sign and then bail out on her at the first sign of trouble.

We would really need to know someone closer to the story, but even without the facts, I would be willing to make a large wager that she was either not very dedicated to tennis, not quite good enough, or both.

As far as the thread talking about coaches, that would be an interesting topic and you should start it. It would be much more interesting than "21 year-old freshmen", "100% foreign", and some of the other pathetic threads on here.
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As far as the thread talking about coaches, that would be an interesting topic and you should start it. It would be much more interesting than "21 year-old freshmen", "100% foreign", and some of the other pathetic threads on here.
I find all of those threads informative and very interesting. I think your post is offensive.

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Amalgamate,

I agree with you.

I think that the 21-year old freshman thread is very interesting , and has functioned as a good prompt to raise issues of how our junior and college tennis system can be improved. And, I think a team without any Americans is sad, particularly when it is a state funded school.

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