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Re: Tipping doubles (2012) ideas, suggestions...?

Isn't this essentially 2 different debates? Tipping on doubles matches (which is probably nice for those who are interested in the doubles circuit) and tipping in pairs on the singles matches?

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Isn't this essentially 2 different debates? Tipping on doubles matches (which is probably nice for those who are interested in the doubles circuit) and tipping in pairs on the singles matches?
Yes, I suggested tipping doubles on doubles because I sort of agree that just summing up the points in singles to create doubles rankings wouldn't bring much excitement. Tipping on doubles matches might be more interesting and would really be something new in this game.
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Yes, I suggested tipping doubles on doubles because I sort of agree that just summing up the points in singles to create doubles rankings wouldn't bring much excitement. Tipping on doubles matches might be more interesting and would really be something new in this game.
Well...I don't really see how tipping on doubles should be done as a doubles competition, I'd just be annoyed at my partner for not sending. But I wouldn't play a game where you tip on doubles, so I guess my opinion there doesn't really matter.

I think there could be ways of making a doubles tipping on singles interesting, though...but not without very complicated rules, which I suppose tipping isn't really about.

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Well...I don't really see how tipping on doubles should be done as a doubles competition, I'd just be annoyed at my partner for not sending. But I wouldn't play a game where you tip on doubles, so I guess my opinion there doesn't really matter.
So you think tipping doubles should be played as a singles competition?! Well that's another idea - so now we have three But I really don't see why doubles wouldn't be played as a doubles competition, since we already have a team competition in Fed cup and people work things out when someone doesn't play as well as other team members.

I see it's unlikely we'll have a doubles circuit anyway. Some players say that tipping doubles should be done by playing on singles matches, and others say that doubles played that way wouldn't make sense and they'd prefer it only with doubles matches. And now we have your suggesion of an individual competition in doubles too. So if we don't see some solution to all this by the third week of December, we probably won't go with either of the ideas, at least not at the very beggining of the season.
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Re: Tipping doubles (2012) ideas, suggestions...?

I started thinking about this thread again today for some reason. In fact, what got me thinking is the idea for a schedule. Okay, this season wouldn't be played completely because it already started, but we could still play quite a big part of it. I'd suggest playing all tournaments with more than 16 teams in the draw. By this year's WTA calendar that would mean:

- Australian Open*
- Doha*
- Indian Wells*
- Miami (March 20th)
- Madrid (May 5th)
- Rome (May 14th)
- French Open (May 27th)
- Wimbledon (June 25th)
- Olympics (July 28th)
- Montreal (August 7th)
- Cincinnati (August 13th)
- US Open (August 27th)
- Beijing (September 29th)
- SEC Istanbul (October 23rd)
* tournaments that have finished or already started

I think we should play in teams on doubles matches. As mentioned earlier, points of a team would be used for the doubles rankings but their individual points would be used for the purpose of keeping track of points to defend (each would defend his own points next year).

Bonus points would be given to 8 teams in slams and 4 teams in other events. Four best teams qualify for SEC.

We'd need 13 extra managers for a full season (SEC would be managed by the manager of singles competition), while this year we'd need just 10 if starting in Miami or 9 if starting in Madrid. Considering how many active players we have in tipping that shouldn't pose a problem.

Anyone interested in all this?
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Re: Tipping doubles (2012) ideas, suggestions...?

If anyone has good ideas, feel free to suggest.

I think that idea of having a maximum of 3 partners different during a season should be OK, cause if everyone teams up with 7 or 8 different players, imagine how the rankings would look Of course, that would mean that if only people with whom you have already teamed up so far have entered a tournament, you could not play that tournament (a little tricky but it's necessary).

I could run the rankings and keep track of teams. I could also run the first event in Miami (assuming everything is agreed upon until then) and 1 or 2 more during the year, but I'd maybe have to withdraw from managing something in singles cause I'm also running Fed cup.

Since there would be so few events (13+1) it wouldn't be necessary to limit the number of tournaments you're allowed to play in one season. Team rankings would count for just one year (race system) while individual points earned in doubles would form roll-over rankings.

Bonus points would be:
200/150/100/75 for slams and
160/120/80 for other events.

During a tournament, points of a team are a sum of points earned by the two players (e.g. 31+24=55 for a team). For a final match number of games is guessed and the average of the two numbers guessed by the team members is used to solve ties (23+27=50/2=25). If two teams have the same average, the team with the fastest poster wins.

Well, I think I covered most of the issues. If you see some potential problems speak up
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Ok, so in the following 2-3 days I'll make sure to open a tipping doubles thread for Miami. This tournament will be sort of an experiment and if everything goes smoothly and we generate enough interest, we'll continue with the doubles tournaments as the season moves on. So first up Miami, and if there are no major problems during that one, expect to see the next doubles tipping thread in Madrid.

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I think we should include Tokyo, too. Just because it is a Premier 5.

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I think we should include Tokyo, too. Just because it is a Premier 5.
I know it is, but I was trying to find some scheduling model that won't result in too many tournaments while still including most of the important ones, and I couldn't come up with a better idea than >16 draws.
If we make one exception, someone will come with an idea and a reason for another one and soon you'll have more tournaments in the draw than you can find managers for.
Feel free to give ideas for some new ways to schedule doubles in 2013, but I really think that we should follow something logical, even if it means skipping one or two large tournaments.
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Re: Tipping doubles (2012) ideas, suggestions...?

Is it

200/150/100/100/75/75/75/75 (for the teams)

and the normal bonus points (like in singles tipping) for the individual ranking?

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Is it

200/150/100/100/75/75/75/75 (for the teams)

and the normal bonus points (like in singles tipping) for the individual ranking?

at a GS
Yes.

In other words, it's 4 teams and 8 players for Premier events, and 8 teams and 16 players for the slams. Btw, sorry for a bit of a late reply.
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Re: Tipping doubles (2012) ideas, suggestions...?

Btw guys, we never really discussed what happens if super tie-break is played in the finals - does STB count as one game, or does ever point in it count as a game. Luckily we didn't have this as an issue so far, cause finals were mostly straightforward or played with a normal tie-break, but what if...? I'd say we should count STB as one game. Do you think we need a poll about this? Next doubles event is Wimbledon so there is time to make this specific and add it to the rules.
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Re: Tipping doubles (2012) ideas, suggestions...?

I'm not sure about this.

Adding only 1 game doesn't really change anything but adding about 15-25 games is way too much imo.

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